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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 29, 2010 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob as Robinson ClueSo

OK, the El Paso is sad...still not sure what to make of what he's doing, but it defn looks bad...I just can't judge how much worse it is than the Ratdog concert I walked out of a few yrs back.

The one thing I will say, now that I can see his "outfit" is that is the most pathetic thing about it all.

If anyone I'd ever tried to convince of the worth of the DEAD sees this, they will so have the goods on me as to just how far they've fallen (sorry to one and all that still has a good time going to these "shows" but truly...) I'll never live it down.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 29, 2010 6:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob as Robinson ClueSo

I think without the sound you won't have gotten the picture. He couldn't play it. After about 10 minutes he says, "ok I'm going to start over" and the crowd cheers. He never gets past the first line. He is completely out of it.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 29, 2010 9:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob as Robinson ClueSo

Unfortunately, I did listen to this one...but you know, I still have such a negative view of him from my limited interactions of late...since you saw him recently, you are much better positioned to judge how bad this was, and it was bad. I guess I am just inclined to still imagine he's capable of looking this odd while not stoned, or sick, as strange as that sounds. And bizarrely, I am also convinced he has a number of substance abuse issues incl smoking and drinking, both well documented.

So, mark me down as idoitic for not necessarily saying what we see here is new or different, or indicative of him having a problem causing this behavior; I think he has two major problems: substance abuse, and an odd personality made worse by age and his original forgetfulness.

Not very charitable, I know...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 30, 2010 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob as Robinson ClueSo

I don't think we really disagree ... yeah, some combination of aging and maybe or maybe not taking some other substances that he can't handle as well as he once did, combined with just being Bob. No argument he was always an oddball.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jul 30, 2010 6:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob as Robinson ClueSo

Dude, trust me when I say this: that video is an absolute abomination compared to what the band is capable of. I'm a pretty unbiased music listener, even when I'm actually at the concert, but what they did on 7/10 was extremely fresh and exciting. This is obviously lame, don't be too down on Furthur as a band just because of this atrocious mess.

However, as I said, I don't think Weir was dosed or smashed, that's pretty ludicrous. The main problem here is just low energy, and as a musician I know that will kill your momentum - enough to destroy your ability to think and remember what it is you're playing, and where you are in the music. The guy may be having issues, but I don't think there was anything seriously wrong with him in the moment (perhaps these things had an indirect influence on his performance, but it's not like he was stumbling around drunk).

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 30, 2010 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob as Robinson ClueSo

Then like Ring, you are much better able to judge than me; thanks for the feedback...it is hard to tease apart (as evidenced in all the different takes above), and though I accept he may be abusing stuff, putting it all together, I am inclined to agree with you that you can't be absolutely certain of what applies in this one show (took me a minute to realize both songs I watched were the same show the camera work was so poor)...and given enough people have voiced as you have that they have seen him on "good nights" lately, this one can just be dismissed as on off night til more evidence comes to light.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 30, 2010 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob as Robinson ClueSo

"that video is an absolute abomination compared to what the band is capable of. I'm a pretty unbiased music listener, even when I'm actually at the concert, but what they did on 7/10 was extremely fresh and exciting. "

Yes (well, I saw 7/11 not 7/10 but can say the same).

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